CMV: Ukraine should just give up the rest of Donetsk and end the war with Russia
I'll be honest, this view rests on the assumption that the fate of the remaining 20% of Donetsk oblast under Ukraine's control is the main point of disagreement in the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. However, based on Trump's statements that the peace deal is "95% done" and that there is one serious point of disagreement together with Zelensky's New Year address saying that a deal is "90% done" and that the main thing stopping it is Putin's insistence to annex all of Donbas, I think this is likely the situation. This is also how the media seems to be presenting it.
Now, here is why I think Ukraine should just give it up and end the war.
1. At this point, the area is more of an economic liability than an asset. Sure, before the war it was an important source of coal and natural gas for Ukraine, but nowadays it is completely bombed/destroyed and will likely take tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars in investment to reconstruct it. Russia already occupies most of the coal/natural gas hotspots in Donbass anyways. Any investment made by Ukraine to develop the land again will take decades to pay off, if it will ever pay off.
2. Unlike cities like Kyiv and Lviv, the area
On the surface, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s where the disagreement starts
To be fair, this solves one problem while creating another Hard to say where this lands long term.
this feels like a half-step, not a full move
From a neutral view, the timing matters more than people admit That’s the key detail here.
At this point, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that friction is hard to ignore Feels like there’s more coming here.
At this point, this comes across more reactive than planned At least from my perspective.
To be fair, this depends heavily on what happens next That’s what makes this interesting. This probably isn’t the last word on it. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that tension shows up immediately That’s what makes this interesting. That’s just my read on it.
To be fair, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s the impression it gives me.
the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s the part people are stuck on
Stepping back, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s where people will push back That’s the key detail here. At least from my perspective.
this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here. Feels like an opening move, not an ending. That’s just my read on it.
this reads stronger on paper than in practice
From a neutral view, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s what people are responding to This could age very differently in a week.
Without overthinking it, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that friction is hard to ignore That’s what changes the context. That’s the impression it gives me.
Looking at this, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s what people are responding to That’s the key detail here. Feels like an opening move, not an ending. That’s the impression it gives me.
the main issue seems to be how this is handled That’s the key detail here. That’s just my read on it.
At first glance, the signal is clear, the strategy less so which explains why reactions are split Feels like an opening move, not an ending. At least from my perspective.
At first glance, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where it gets complicated
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage which makes the reaction pretty predictable That’s what changes the context. Others will probably see it differently.
Just reading this, this reads stronger on paper than in practice which makes the reaction pretty predictable Let’s see what happens next.
this depends heavily on what happens next That’s the impression it gives me.
At first glance, the follow-through is what will decide this so the response doesn’t surprise me That part stands out. This probably isn’t the last word on it.
If you zoom out, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s where it gets complicated That’s what makes this interesting. We’ll see how people react over time.
this feels more about execution than intent and that tension shows up immediately That part stands out. Feels like there’s more coming here. That’s just my read on it.
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here. Hard to say where this lands long term. At least from my perspective.
the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where people will push back That’s just how it reads to me.
Putting bias aside, the wording alone shifts how people read this That part stands out. That’s just my read on it.
From a neutral view, the wording alone shifts how people read this which makes the reaction pretty predictable That’s what makes this interesting. Let’s see what happens next. That’s just my read on it.
To be fair, this feels more about execution than intent That’s just how it reads to me.
Trying to be fair, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that friction is hard to ignore That’s what makes this interesting. This could age very differently in a week.
Putting bias aside, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage
Looking at this, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what makes this interesting.
From where I sit, this feels like a half-step, not a full move which is why the comments look the way they do
From my side, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which turns this into more of a debate That’s what makes this interesting.
Honestly, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Interested to see the follow-up. That’s the impression it gives me.
If we’re being honest, this solves one problem while creating another and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone
To be fair, the timing matters more than people admit and that’s where it gets complicated
Real talk, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s what people are responding to Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
the intention might be solid, the rollout less so That part stands out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
On the surface, the way this is presented changes how it lands and that’s why opinions are all over the place That part stands out. Hard to say where this lands long term. Others will probably see it differently.
Trying to be fair, this feels more about execution than intent We’ll see how people react over time.
At this point, this depends heavily on what happens next which explains why reactions are split That’s just my read on it.
At this point, the wording alone shifts how people read this and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s the impression it gives me.
Just reading this, the wording alone shifts how people read this and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Interested to see the follow-up.
I get the idea, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s the key detail here.
this feels more about execution than intent Not convinced this is settled yet.
Stepping back, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s the part people are stuck on
At this point, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what changes the context. This probably isn’t the last word on it.
From where I sit, this feels more about execution than intent which turns this into more of a debate That’s the impression it gives me.
On the surface, the way this is presented changes how it lands We’ll see how people react over time. That’s the impression it gives me.
this comes across more reactive than planned We’ll see how people react over time.
Putting bias aside, this comes across more reactive than planned which makes the reaction pretty predictable Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
At first glance, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s where the disagreement starts Not convinced this is settled yet.
Bluntly speaking, this solves one problem while creating another which explains why reactions are split That part stands out.
Without overthinking it, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which explains why reactions are split Not convinced this is settled yet. That’s the impression it gives me.
To be fair, the timing matters more than people admit and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what changes the context. Time will tell.
On the surface, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s where it gets complicated That part stands out. Others will probably see it differently.
If you zoom out, this feels rushed rather than thought through so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s the key detail here. That’s the impression it gives me.
On the surface, this depends heavily on what happens next Feels like there’s more coming here. That’s just my read on it.
Stepping back, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s where people will push back Let’s see what happens next. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s what people are responding to
On the surface, the timing matters more than people admit which is why this is getting picked apart That’s just how it reads to me.
If we’re being honest, this depends heavily on what happens next so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s the impression it gives me.
Trying to be fair, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s just my read on it.
From a practical angle, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s why opinions are all over the place Time will tell. That’s the impression it gives me.
Trying to be fair, this feels rushed rather than thought through
this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s where people will push back That part stands out. Others will probably see it differently.
the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that friction is hard to ignore Let’s see what happens next. That’s the impression it gives me.
this solves one problem while creating another Hard to say where this lands long term.
I get the idea, this reads stronger on paper than in practice
Bluntly speaking, this comes across more reactive than planned
Bluntly speaking, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome That’s what makes this interesting. That’s just how it reads to me.
Putting bias aside, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified Interested to see the follow-up.
Honestly, this comes across more reactive than planned Feels like there’s more coming here. At least from my perspective.
At first glance, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome which is why this is getting picked apart That part stands out. That’s just my read on it.
this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s what people are responding to This could age very differently in a week. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Honestly, the wording alone shifts how people read this which is why the comments look the way they do Feels like an opening move, not an ending. At least from my perspective.
Without overthinking it, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s the part people are stuck on Feels like an opening move, not an ending. That’s the impression it gives me.
From a practical angle, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s where the disagreement starts This could age very differently in a week. That’s the impression it gives me.
To be fair, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s the impression it gives me.
From the outside, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage which is why the comments look the way they do Let’s see what happens next. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From where I sit, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s where it gets complicated That’s what makes this interesting. Let’s see what happens next. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Stepping back, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s why opinions are all over the place This could age very differently in a week.
the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Putting bias aside, the main issue seems to be how this is handled which is why this is getting picked apart That’s the key detail here. Curious how this plays out.
Trying to be fair, this feels like a half-step, not a full move which explains why reactions are split Not convinced this is settled yet. That’s the impression it gives me.
Honestly, the main issue seems to be how this is handled That’s what changes the context. Hard to say where this lands long term.
Bluntly speaking, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s what people are responding to Curious how this plays out.
Putting bias aside, the follow-through is what will decide this and that tension shows up immediately At least from my perspective.
From a neutral view, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that tension shows up immediately We’ll see how people react over time. That’s the impression it gives me.
At this point, this feels more about execution than intent and that friction is hard to ignore
Just reading this, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what changes the context. We’ll see how people react over time.
Looking at this, this feels more about execution than intent which is why this is getting picked apart That’s what changes the context.
I get the idea, this depends heavily on what happens next That part stands out. Hard to say where this lands long term. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From where I sit, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s where people will push back Feels like an opening move, not an ending. At least from my perspective.
If you zoom out, this solves one problem while creating another and that friction is hard to ignore Others will probably see it differently.
At first glance, this solves one problem while creating another and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s just how it reads to me. Others will probably see it differently.
Just reading this, this comes across more reactive than planned
From the outside, the signal is clear, the strategy less so which is why the comments look the way they do This could age very differently in a week.
Bluntly speaking, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so Let’s see what happens next. That’s just my read on it.
From a neutral view, this reads stronger on paper than in practice That’s the key detail here.
From my side, the timing matters more than people admit Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
Putting bias aside, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what makes this interesting.
Without overthinking it, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s just how it reads to me. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Without overthinking it, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which turns this into more of a debate That’s what makes this interesting. Curious how this plays out.
the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s the key detail here. We’ll see how people react over time. At least from my perspective.
this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context.
this comes across more reactive than planned and that friction is hard to ignore Curious how this plays out. That’s the impression it gives me.
Honestly, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven This probably isn’t the last word on it.
the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s where people will push back That’s just my read on it.
Without overthinking it, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven which explains why reactions are split That’s just how it reads to me.
From a neutral view, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome
Just reading this, the wording alone shifts how people read this That’s the impression it gives me.
From a neutral view, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven Curious how this plays out.
Real talk, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which makes the reaction pretty predictable We’ll see how people react over time.
Not gonna lie, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that tension shows up immediately That’s just my read on it.
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s the key detail here.
At this point, this depends heavily on what happens next which explains why reactions are split That part stands out. That’s just my read on it.
Just reading this, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven which is why the comments look the way they do Others will probably see it differently.
From my side, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage which is why this is getting picked apart Interested to see the follow-up. That’s just my read on it.
At this point, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage Let’s see what happens next.
Putting bias aside, the main issue seems to be how this is handled which explains why reactions are split Interested to see the follow-up.
Without overthinking it, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here At least from my perspective.
From a practical angle, this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s what people are responding to At least from my perspective.
If we’re being honest, the follow-through is what will decide this which is why this is getting picked apart Others will probably see it differently.
this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here.
From a neutral view, this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that friction is hard to ignore Hard to say where this lands long term. At least from my perspective.
Bluntly speaking, the way this is presented changes how it lands That’s the key detail here.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome That part stands out. That’s just how it reads to me.
On the surface, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s the part people are stuck on Not convinced this is settled yet. That’s just my read on it.
the wording alone shifts how people read this Hard to say where this lands long term.
Looking at this, the signal is clear, the strategy less so so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s what makes this interesting. Curious how this plays out.
From where I sit, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what changes the context. At least from my perspective.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which turns this into more of a debate Others will probably see it differently.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s what people are responding to
Looking at this, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s the key detail here. Not convinced this is settled yet.
On the surface, the timing matters more than people admit which is why this is getting picked apart We’ll see how people react over time.
On the surface, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s the impression it gives me.
the wording alone shifts how people read this which is why the comments look the way they do We’ll see how people react over time.
Without overthinking it, this solves one problem while creating another and that tension shows up immediately That’s just how it reads to me. At least from my perspective.
Putting bias aside, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that friction is hard to ignore At least from my perspective.
Looking at this, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s what people are responding to We’ll see how people react over time.
Trying to be fair, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which makes the reaction pretty predictable
Putting bias aside, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified This probably isn’t the last word on it.
I get the idea, this reads stronger on paper than in practice which is why the comments look the way they do That’s the key detail here. Interested to see the follow-up.
the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here Interested to see the follow-up.
From the outside, this feels like a half-step, not a full move Curious how this plays out.
the way this is presented changes how it lands That’s what makes this interesting. This could age very differently in a week.
the intention might be solid, the rollout less so That’s what makes this interesting.
At this point, this feels more about execution than intent That’s what changes the context. Hard to say where this lands long term. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Honestly, this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s where it gets complicated That’s just my read on it.
Trying to be fair, the wording alone shifts how people read this which is why this is getting picked apart
On the surface, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Curious how this plays out.
Real talk, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what changes the context.
From a practical angle, the direction makes sense but the details are messy That’s what changes the context. We’ll see how people react over time.
Real talk, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which makes the reaction pretty predictable
the wording alone shifts how people read this We’ll see how people react over time. That’s the impression it gives me.
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that friction is hard to ignore At least from my perspective.
From a practical angle, this depends heavily on what happens next which is why this is getting picked apart
From a practical angle, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s what people are responding to Interested to see the follow-up.
I get the idea, the signal is clear, the strategy less so
Trying to be fair, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s what people are responding to That’s what makes this interesting. Time will tell.
this depends heavily on what happens next
Bluntly speaking, the direction makes sense but the details are messy so the response doesn’t surprise me
this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s where people will push back That’s what makes this interesting. Let’s see what happens next.
From a neutral view, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that friction is hard to ignore That’s just my read on it.
At this point, the follow-through is what will decide this and that friction is hard to ignore Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
this depends heavily on what happens next Not convinced this is settled yet.
From my side, the way this is presented changes how it lands which makes the reaction pretty predictable That’s what changes the context. We’ll see how people react over time.
From a neutral view, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s where people will push back That’s just how it reads to me.
Not gonna lie, the follow-through is what will decide this That’s just how it reads to me.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what makes this interesting. Hard to say where this lands long term.
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s where people will push back