CMV: Ukraine should just give up the rest of Donetsk and end the war with Russia
I'll be honest, this view rests on the assumption that the fate of the remaining 20% of Donetsk oblast under Ukraine's control is the main point of disagreement in the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. However, based on Trump's statements that the peace deal is "95% done" and that there is one serious point of disagreement together with Zelensky's New Year address saying that a deal is "90% done" and that the main thing stopping it is Putin's insistence to annex all of Donbas, I think this is likely the situation. This is also how the media seems to be presenting it.
Now, here is why I think Ukraine should just give it up and end the war.
1. At this point, the area is more of an economic liability than an asset. Sure, before the war it was an important source of coal and natural gas for Ukraine, but nowadays it is completely bombed/destroyed and will likely take tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars in investment to reconstruct it. Russia already occupies most of the coal/natural gas hotspots in Donbass anyways. Any investment made by Ukraine to develop the land again will take decades to pay off, if it will ever pay off.
2. Unlike cities like Kyiv and Lviv, the area
Just reading this, this comes across more reactive than planned and that friction is hard to ignore
Putting bias aside, the main issue seems to be how this is handled which explains why reactions are split That’s the impression it gives me.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified That’s what makes this interesting. Curious how this plays out.
Stepping back, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s where it gets complicated Time will tell. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
this solves one problem while creating another Hard to say where this lands long term.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome so the response doesn’t surprise me At least from my perspective.
Reaction: Just always
If we’re being honest, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven which is why this is getting picked apart That’s what changes the context. Hard to say where this lands long term. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Reaction: me_irl
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Time will tell. That’s the impression it gives me.
Trying to be fair, the wording alone shifts how people read this Let’s see what happens next. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Stepping back, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s where people will push back At least from my perspective.
From the outside, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s where the disagreement starts
If we’re being honest, the direction makes sense but the details are messy We’ll see how people react over time.
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s the key detail here.
I get the idea, this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s the part people are stuck on
this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here.
Putting bias aside, the signal is clear, the strategy less so That’s the impression it gives me.
At first glance, the follow-through is what will decide this which explains why reactions are split
Without overthinking it, the follow-through is what will decide this so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s what changes the context. Feels like there’s more coming here. That’s just my read on it.
From where I sit, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s what people are responding to This probably isn’t the last word on it. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Not gonna lie, this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what makes this interesting.
Reaction: Take it off us, It burns us!!!
To be fair, this solves one problem while creating another and that’s what people are responding to
To be fair, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which is why this is getting picked apart Others will probably see it differently.
Reaction: The great meme reset
I get the idea, the wording alone shifts how people read this
the timing matters more than people admit That part stands out.
Real talk, this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what changes the context. That’s just how it reads to me.
I get the idea, this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s what people are responding to Time will tell.
Not gonna lie, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which makes the reaction pretty predictable Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
the timing matters more than people admit which explains why reactions are split Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
Honestly, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context. Others will probably see it differently.
At first glance, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s the part people are stuck on Let’s see what happens next.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which makes the reaction pretty predictable Others will probably see it differently.
From the outside, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven This probably isn’t the last word on it.
Reaction: Too real..
On the surface, this reads stronger on paper than in practice
From my side, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified
Without overthinking it, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s where people will push back Hard to say where this lands long term. At least from my perspective.
Not gonna lie, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s the impression it gives me.
On the surface, the way this is presented changes how it lands That part stands out. We’ll see how people react over time. Others will probably see it differently.
Trying to be fair, this depends heavily on what happens next Others will probably see it differently.
Putting bias aside, the follow-through is what will decide this Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Stepping back, this feels more about execution than intent Interested to see the follow-up. Others will probably see it differently.
Reaction: me_irl