CMV: there is no such thing as "objectively good" (with regard to art) or at least the phrase comes from a misunderstand
It's a semantic argument but it's something I think is quite interesting.
I've often had this disagreement with people and I've heard the following objection multiple times:
"If everything's subjective, then I guess THE ROOM could be considered a great film!"
It's similar to the idea of an "objective morality."
"If morality is subjective then I guess it could be okay to murder!"
This to me is a misunderstanding of what "objective" means. It seems like these people think it means "definitive" or "incapable of being contradicted."
Instead, "objective" just means it's not an opinion or it doesn't concern human perception. It would remain true even if all human beings died.
Now, there is always ambiguity but with language we have to do our best.
Given that, it really doesn't make any sense at all to say that a movie like THE ROOM is *objectively* bad. Clearly, if all humans died there would be no one around to say it's bad. In this context, "bad" is inherently an *opinion* word, and therefore MUST be subjective.
Even if every single human in the world had the exact same opinion, it would nevertheless be an opinion and therefore subjective. Opinion CAN be definitive, and it isn't imposs
Bluntly speaking, the timing matters more than people admit and that tension shows up immediately That’s just my read on it.
If we’re being honest, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which is why the comments look the way they do That’s the key detail here. This probably isn’t the last word on it.
this solves one problem while creating another and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what changes the context. Interested to see the follow-up.
Real talk, the way this is presented changes how it lands We’ll see how people react over time.
the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what makes this interesting.
Trying to be fair, the follow-through is what will decide this This could age very differently in a week. That’s just my read on it.
Just reading this, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which explains why reactions are split Let’s see what happens next. That’s the impression it gives me.
Looking at this, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here We’ll see how people react over time.
From a practical angle, this feels more about execution than intent and that’s the part people are stuck on Not convinced this is settled yet.
Trying to be fair, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that friction is hard to ignore Interested to see the follow-up. That’s just my read on it.
Stepping back, this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s what people are responding to At least from my perspective.
Bluntly speaking, this feels rushed rather than thought through which explains why reactions are split That part stands out.
From the outside, the way this is presented changes how it lands and that’s where it gets complicated Curious how this plays out. Others will probably see it differently.
Looking at this, the signal is clear, the strategy less so which explains why reactions are split That’s just how it reads to me. That’s the impression it gives me.
Honestly, the wording alone shifts how people read this which is why this is getting picked apart That’s what changes the context. Curious how this plays out.
the intention might be solid, the rollout less so which explains why reactions are split Interested to see the follow-up. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Reaction: Why am I scared? Probably because one time my grandma got pulled over when I was a kid and she told the cop that her bad driving was because of me and he came to my window. I didnt do anythi
the way this is presented changes how it lands so the response doesn’t surprise me At least from my perspective.
If you zoom out, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what makes this interesting. Interested to see the follow-up. At least from my perspective.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome
From my side, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s the part people are stuck on This could age very differently in a week.
From a neutral view, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified That’s the key detail here. Curious how this plays out. That’s just my read on it.
To be fair, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s where it gets complicated That’s what changes the context. Time will tell. That’s just my read on it.
Reaction: lock in chat
At first glance, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context. That’s just how it reads to me.
Not gonna lie, this feels like a half-step, not a full move which explains why reactions are split
Reaction: This meme is brought to you by a lack of sleep
Reaction: Take it off us, It burns us!!!
At this point, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s where it gets complicated Not convinced this is settled yet.
this feels rushed rather than thought through so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s the key detail here. That’s just how it reads to me. At least from my perspective.
Reaction: This meme is brought to you by a lack of sleep
From where I sit, the follow-through is what will decide this and that tension shows up immediately
I get the idea, the direction makes sense but the details are messy which explains why reactions are split Time will tell.
Reaction: He belongs to her now.
Reaction: me_irl
At this point, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context. Let’s see what happens next. That’s the impression it gives me.
From where I sit, the signal is clear, the strategy less so
Honestly, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s what people are responding to That part stands out. We’ll see how people react over time.
Looking at this, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s where the disagreement starts That part stands out.
Reaction: Me_irl
Reaction: lock in chat
At first glance, the signal is clear, the strategy less so This could age very differently in a week. Others will probably see it differently.
Reaction: Mr. Obama, forgive me
If we’re being honest, the timing matters more than people admit and that’s why opinions are all over the place Feels like there’s more coming here.
I get the idea, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven and that’s the part people are stuck on That’s the key detail here. That’s just how it reads to me. Others will probably see it differently.
Honestly, the way this is presented changes how it lands
From where I sit, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s the key detail here. Others will probably see it differently.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which makes the reaction pretty predictable Time will tell.
this solves one problem while creating another and that’s where people will push back Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From my side, the wording alone shifts how people read this That part stands out. At least from my perspective.
From the outside, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context. Let’s see what happens next.
Reaction: Damn the Elighisl language
From where I sit, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what changes the context.
From the outside, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that friction is hard to ignore Time will tell.