CMV: ICE has become exactly the tyranny the framers had in mind when drafting the 2nd Amendment.
Legally protected, anonymous armed thugs from HUGE central government, going into residential areas and kidnapping people on vague suspicion, murdering citizens in cold blood. A wholesale assault on our constitutional rights as American citizens. This is precisely the kind of operation that the framers would have considered tyranny—even if not in intent, certainly in practice. We can’t sue, can’t charge, and can’t lawfully resist. Fuck every single last ICE agent and every craven motherfucker that voted for this. By the way, here’s what the Heritage Foundation, architects of Project 2025, have to say about it: “A well-armed citizenry acts as a major check on the ability of would-be tyrants, enabling the people to forcibly resist oppression. In the United States, our constitutional system is premised on the theory that, in a truly free society, ultimate power lies with the people and not with the government. But should the government forget this basic principle, the people maintain the practical power that comes with being armed for their own defense. The threat of tyranny and oppression is very real, even today.” To Change My View, convince me that a federal secret police force (if
I get the idea, this comes across more reactive than planned and that friction is hard to ignore That’s what changes the context. That’s the impression it gives me.
From the outside, the direction makes sense but the details are messy That’s the key detail here. That’s just my read on it.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone At least from my perspective.
Bluntly speaking, this feels more about execution than intent and that friction is hard to ignore
If we’re being honest, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here which makes the reaction pretty predictable Curious how this plays out. That’s the impression it gives me.
From the outside, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what changes the context. That’s just how it reads to me.
Putting bias aside, the signal is clear, the strategy less so Curious how this plays out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven
At this point, the way this is presented changes how it lands Let’s see what happens next.
Stepping back, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s what people are responding to That’s just how it reads to me. That’s just my read on it.
the wording alone shifts how people read this and that’s why opinions are all over the place This probably isn’t the last word on it. Others will probably see it differently.
From where I sit, the wording alone shifts how people read this which is why this is getting picked apart That’s just my read on it.
Reaction: Me_irl
Stepping back, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven That’s the key detail here. Interested to see the follow-up.
At this point, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here which is why this is getting picked apart Not convinced this is settled yet.
Honestly, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
Not gonna lie, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s the part people are stuck on Let’s see what happens next.
From a neutral view, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s the key detail here. This could age very differently in a week. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
I get the idea, this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s where people will push back That’s the key detail here. Interested to see the follow-up. At least from my perspective.
I get the idea, the timing matters more than people admit which explains why reactions are split That’s what makes this interesting. Feels like an opening move, not an ending. Others will probably see it differently.
Looking at this, the timing matters more than people admit and that friction is hard to ignore Curious how this plays out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
If you zoom out, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s what makes this interesting. Curious how this plays out.
At this point, the timing matters more than people admit and that’s where people will push back At least from my perspective.
Reaction: Remember The Darkness games and Prey 2006..Yeah I do.
From a neutral view, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From a practical angle, the wording alone shifts how people read this which makes the reaction pretty predictable That’s what changes the context.
Trying to be fair, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that tension shows up immediately That’s what makes this interesting. We’ll see how people react over time.
Not gonna lie, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome That’s the impression it gives me.
Honestly, the signal is clear, the strategy less so which explains why reactions are split That’s what makes this interesting. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s where the disagreement starts That’s what makes this interesting.
Reaction: Pepe in the cupboard
On the surface, the follow-through is what will decide this so the response doesn’t surprise me Feels like there’s more coming here.
Stepping back, this comes across more reactive than planned which is why the comments look the way they do Hard to say where this lands long term.
From the outside, the follow-through is what will decide this This probably isn’t the last word on it.
Trying to be fair, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s where the disagreement starts
Honestly, the timing matters more than people admit and that friction is hard to ignore
Trying to be fair, the wording alone shifts how people read this and that friction is hard to ignore Feels like there’s more coming here.
Reaction: Me_irl
Reaction: me_irl
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage Hard to say where this lands long term.
Honestly, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s where it gets complicated This could age very differently in a week.
From my side, this reads stronger on paper than in practice which turns this into more of a debate That’s just how it reads to me.
Honestly, the follow-through is what will decide this which is why the comments look the way they do That’s the key detail here. Not convinced this is settled yet.
From the outside, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which is why this is getting picked apart
Stepping back, this solves one problem while creating another That part stands out.
Stepping back, the main issue seems to be how this is handled which turns this into more of a debate We’ll see how people react over time.