CMV: there is no such thing as "objectively good" (with regard to art) or at least the phrase comes from a misunderstand
It's a semantic argument but it's something I think is quite interesting.
I've often had this disagreement with people and I've heard the following objection multiple times:
"If everything's subjective, then I guess THE ROOM could be considered a great film!"
It's similar to the idea of an "objective morality."
"If morality is subjective then I guess it could be okay to murder!"
This to me is a misunderstanding of what "objective" means. It seems like these people think it means "definitive" or "incapable of being contradicted."
Instead, "objective" just means it's not an opinion or it doesn't concern human perception. It would remain true even if all human beings died.
Now, there is always ambiguity but with language we have to do our best.
Given that, it really doesn't make any sense at all to say that a movie like THE ROOM is *objectively* bad. Clearly, if all humans died there would be no one around to say it's bad. In this context, "bad" is inherently an *opinion* word, and therefore MUST be subjective.
Even if every single human in the world had the exact same opinion, it would nevertheless be an opinion and therefore subjective. Opinion CAN be definitive, and it isn't imposs
From where I sit, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that tension shows up immediately That part stands out. Curious how this plays out. That’s just my read on it.
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At first glance, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven which is why this is getting picked apart We’ll see how people react over time.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified and that’s where it gets complicated That’s the key detail here. Feels like there’s more coming here.
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the way this is presented changes how it lands and that friction is hard to ignore This probably isn’t the last word on it.
the way this is presented changes how it lands That’s just my read on it.
Reaction: raised to be stupid taught to be nothing at all
From a neutral view, this feels more about execution than intent That’s the impression it gives me.