CMV: ICE has become exactly the tyranny the framers had in mind when drafting the 2nd Amendment.
Legally protected, anonymous armed thugs from HUGE central government, going into residential areas and kidnapping people on vague suspicion, murdering citizens in cold blood. A wholesale assault on our constitutional rights as American citizens. This is precisely the kind of operation that the framers would have considered tyranny—even if not in intent, certainly in practice. We can’t sue, can’t charge, and can’t lawfully resist. Fuck every single last ICE agent and every craven motherfucker that voted for this. By the way, here’s what the Heritage Foundation, architects of Project 2025, have to say about it: “A well-armed citizenry acts as a major check on the ability of would-be tyrants, enabling the people to forcibly resist oppression. In the United States, our constitutional system is premised on the theory that, in a truly free society, ultimate power lies with the people and not with the government. But should the government forget this basic principle, the people maintain the practical power that comes with being armed for their own defense. The threat of tyranny and oppression is very real, even today.” To Change My View, convince me that a federal secret police force (if
From where I sit, the follow-through is what will decide this Let’s see what happens next. That’s the impression it gives me.
On the surface, the way this is presented changes how it lands Let’s see what happens next.
Not gonna lie, this feels more about execution than intent Time will tell.
If you zoom out, this comes across more reactive than planned This could age very differently in a week.
this solves one problem while creating another Hard to say where this lands long term.
Reaction: Me_irl
From where I sit, this depends heavily on what happens next so the response doesn’t surprise me Others will probably see it differently.
this feels rushed rather than thought through which makes the reaction pretty predictable
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified
Real talk, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where it gets complicated Others will probably see it differently.
If we’re being honest, this comes across more reactive than planned That’s what changes the context.
this comes across more reactive than planned Curious how this plays out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Reaction: Stay safe
Stepping back, the main issue seems to be how this is handled That’s what changes the context. That’s just how it reads to me. That’s the impression it gives me.
From my side, the way this is presented changes how it lands so the response doesn’t surprise me Hard to say where this lands long term. That’s just my read on it.
the main issue seems to be how this is handled That part stands out. Time will tell.
From a practical angle, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s what people are responding to Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
Looking at this, this reads stronger on paper than in practice which turns this into more of a debate Time will tell.
this reads stronger on paper than in practice Feels like there’s more coming here. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Bluntly speaking, the main issue seems to be how this is handled which makes the reaction pretty predictable Interested to see the follow-up. Others will probably see it differently.
From my side, this feels more about execution than intent Others will probably see it differently.
Not gonna lie, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven
Honestly, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s what people are responding to That part stands out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Reaction: They must be illiterate or something...
At this point, this comes across more reactive than planned which explains why reactions are split This probably isn’t the last word on it.
Putting bias aside, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s what people are responding to Hard to say where this lands long term.
Real talk, this feels like a half-step, not a full move which is why this is getting picked apart Let’s see what happens next. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From a neutral view, this feels more about execution than intent That part stands out. Feels like there’s more coming here.
this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s what people are responding to That’s what changes the context. Feels like there’s more coming here. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
At first glance, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s the part people are stuck on We’ll see how people react over time. That’s the impression it gives me.
From a neutral view, the follow-through is what will decide this Curious how this plays out. That’s just my read on it.
From a practical angle, this depends heavily on what happens next and that’s what people are responding to At least from my perspective.
Reaction: me_irl
Putting bias aside, the direction makes sense but the details are messy That’s the key detail here.
From a practical angle, the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage and that’s where the disagreement starts That part stands out.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified Feels like there’s more coming here.
Just reading this, the wording alone shifts how people read this That’s what changes the context.
Reaction: me_irl
this reads stronger on paper than in practice which turns this into more of a debate Others will probably see it differently.
Stepping back, this solves one problem while creating another which makes the reaction pretty predictable Time will tell. Others will probably see it differently.
Without overthinking it, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone Time will tell.
From my side, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s what people are responding to
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome This could age very differently in a week.
From a neutral view, the logic is there, but the execution is uneven which is why the comments look the way they do That’s what makes this interesting.
the timing matters more than people admit which is why the comments look the way they do Interested to see the follow-up. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
At first glance, this feels like a half-step, not a full move and that’s where people will push back That part stands out. We’ll see how people react over time. At least from my perspective.