CMV: ICE has become exactly the tyranny the framers had in mind when drafting the 2nd Amendment.
Legally protected, anonymous armed thugs from HUGE central government, going into residential areas and kidnapping people on vague suspicion, murdering citizens in cold blood. A wholesale assault on our constitutional rights as American citizens. This is precisely the kind of operation that the framers would have considered tyranny—even if not in intent, certainly in practice. We can’t sue, can’t charge, and can’t lawfully resist. Fuck every single last ICE agent and every craven motherfucker that voted for this. By the way, here’s what the Heritage Foundation, architects of Project 2025, have to say about it: “A well-armed citizenry acts as a major check on the ability of would-be tyrants, enabling the people to forcibly resist oppression. In the United States, our constitutional system is premised on the theory that, in a truly free society, ultimate power lies with the people and not with the government. But should the government forget this basic principle, the people maintain the practical power that comes with being armed for their own defense. The threat of tyranny and oppression is very real, even today.” To Change My View, convince me that a federal secret police force (if
From where I sit, the main issue seems to be how this is handled That’s the key detail here.
this reads stronger on paper than in practice so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s what changes the context. Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
Just reading this, this feels more about execution than intent Hard to say where this lands long term. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
To be fair, the follow-through is what will decide this and that’s why opinions are all over the place That part stands out. This could age very differently in a week.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified Let’s see what happens next. Others will probably see it differently.
From a practical angle, the main issue seems to be how this is handled and that’s where it gets complicated Interested to see the follow-up.
Looking at this, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s the part people are stuck on That’s the key detail here. Time will tell. Others will probably see it differently.
If you zoom out, the way this is presented changes how it lands which makes the reaction pretty predictable
I get the idea, the signal is clear, the strategy less so That’s what changes the context. Hard to say where this lands long term.
If you zoom out, there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which is why the comments look the way they do
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage Let’s see what happens next.
From a practical angle, this comes across more reactive than planned which turns this into more of a debate Feels like there’s more coming here.
Just reading this, the signal is clear, the strategy less so so the response doesn’t surprise me Curious how this plays out. That’s the impression it gives me.
this solves one problem while creating another and that’s where the disagreement starts Not convinced this is settled yet. That’s the impression it gives me.
Bluntly speaking, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so and that’s where it gets complicated That’s the key detail here. That’s just how it reads to me.
the wording alone shifts how people read this That part stands out. Not convinced this is settled yet.
Bluntly speaking, this reads stronger on paper than in practice which turns this into more of a debate Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
On the surface, the main issue seems to be how this is handled Interested to see the follow-up.
the logic is there, but the execution is uneven so the response doesn’t surprise me That’s what changes the context. Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s where people will push back That’s what makes this interesting.
there’s a lot said here but not much clarified which turns this into more of a debate
Just reading this, this depends heavily on what happens next and that tension shows up immediately Let’s see what happens next.
this feels more about execution than intent and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what makes this interesting. Hard to say where this lands long term. Others will probably see it differently.
this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s why opinions are all over the place That’s what changes the context. That’s just how it reads to me. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
there’s a gap between the message and the outcome and that’s what people are responding to At least from my perspective.
I get the idea, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
the idea isn’t bad, but the delivery is doing damage Interested to see the follow-up. Others will probably see it differently.
Honestly, the way this is presented changes how it lands and that’s where it gets complicated
Stepping back, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so That’s the key detail here.
From a practical angle, the intention might be solid, the rollout less so
this depends heavily on what happens next This could age very differently in a week. Others will probably see it differently.
Not gonna lie, the signal is clear, the strategy less so and that’s why opinions are all over the place That part stands out. That’s the impression it gives me.
I get the idea, this feels like a half-step, not a full move That’s what changes the context. This probably isn’t the last word on it. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
From where I sit, the direction makes sense but the details are messy
On the surface, the wording alone shifts how people read this Let’s see what happens next. Others will probably see it differently.
Trying to be fair, this feels more about execution than intent That part stands out. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
To be fair, there’s a gap between the message and the outcome which makes the reaction pretty predictable That’s the key detail here. Others will probably see it differently.
To be fair, this solves one problem while creating another and that friction is hard to ignore That part stands out.
this feels more about execution than intent That part stands out. At least from my perspective.
Not gonna lie, this comes across more reactive than planned and that’s the part people are stuck on We’ll see how people react over time.
If you zoom out, this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s where it gets complicated That’s what changes the context. Feels like an opening move, not an ending.
this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s why opinions are all over the place
Honestly, this comes across more reactive than planned and that friction is hard to ignore This probably isn’t the last word on it.
Stepping back, this solves one problem while creating another so the response doesn’t surprise me That part stands out. That’s just how it reads to me. At least from my perspective.
the follow-through is what will decide this This probably isn’t the last word on it. That’s the impression it gives me.
On the surface, this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s what makes this interesting. Interested to see the follow-up.
At first glance, this solves one problem while creating another which is why this is getting picked apart That’s the key detail here. Curious how this plays out. At least from my perspective.
Trying to be fair, this solves one problem while creating another and that friction is hard to ignore That part stands out.
this reads stronger on paper than in practice and that’s where it gets complicated That part stands out. Feels like an opening move, not an ending. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
Honestly, this feels rushed rather than thought through and that’s why opinions are all over the place Not convinced this is settled yet. Could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
If we’re being honest, the direction makes sense but the details are messy and that’s where people will push back This could age very differently in a week. Others will probably see it differently.
Trying to be fair, the timing matters more than people admit and that’s where it gets complicated That’s what changes the context.
From where I sit, the framing does a lot of heavy lifting here and that’s why this won’t land the same for everyone That’s the key detail here. We’ll see how people react over time.